Posts by Make Lemonade

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Fundamentalist bible approach

by TheWonderofYou in

go to item f to read about the fundamentalist bible approach and its consequences.

http://www.deiverbum2005.org/interpretation/interpretation_e.pdf.

sincerely.

"The fundamentalis approach is dangerous, for it is attractive to people who look to the Bible for ready answers to the problems of life. It can deceive these people, offering them interpretations that are pious but illusory, instead of telling them that the Bible does not necessarily contain an immediate answer to each and every problem. Without saying as much in so many words, fundamentalism actually invites people to a kind of intellectual suicide. It injects into life a false certitude, for it unwittingly confuses the divine substance of the biblical message with what are in fact its human limitations."

I think this fits what the Governing Body heads up today. One could find confirmation of the above words many times in the history of Jehovah's Witnesses from 1878 to today. Blood, pedophiles, medical advice (ERA, aluminum, vacinations, organ transplants), shunning, false teachings, misrepresenting history (1914, dealings with Hitler) and more.....

Thanks for the thought provoking article

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TTATT in a Can... finally finished!!

by ILoveTTATT in

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friends

ok so... how to condense all the flip-flops and doctrinal changes, and show graphically how the different doctrines changed, and when?.

ttatt in a can!!.

enjoy ;).

Make Lemonade

Thanks

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Can we be deleted as an appointed man, or disfellowshipped without meeting in a committee?

by stuckinarut2 in

so, i am genuinely wondering if the above is possible nowdays?.

with the changes in the power structure of co's, the changes in gb directives re never questioning "jehovah's appointed channel etc", i wonder if "disciplne can be given out in absence?.

i know that several elders in our cong have little "discussions" about my apparant slackening off, and would love to take action against me... they have tried to chat with me but that has been shot down.. so i wonder if they could just make a decision without me being present for it?

Make Lemonade

The body of elders can decide to delete/remove an appointed man for reasons like these: lack of taking the lead in F.S., Family difficulties that set a bad example. Poor meeting attendance. When the C.O. visits the body states their reasons and the final decision is made.

If an appointed man has done a serious enough sin that a committee is required, then his priveledges will be taken away. For a servant to refuse to meet with the JC, well that is not tolerated. Not only would the position be removed, but the action of not meeting with the J.C. would be interpreted as not "repentant."

It has to be understood that specific details about a case would allow a more specific answer. Each case is different.

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The Cat out of the Bag: the story of the release of the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION

by Terry in

when jehovah's witnesses began distributing door to door the new world translation beginning in the early 1950's a firestorm of protest broke out in mainstream churches.

the alarm cry was "they've changed the bible to fit their own crooked teachings!".

you can imagine the discord as church members tried to figure out how jehovah's witnesses could prove by reading from the nwt the king james version was full of omissions and errors and outright fraud concerning, for instance, the trinity doctrine or the name of god!!.

Make Lemonade

"JW's are the only Christian denomination which has historically gone out of the way to bring reproach specifically on the DIVINE NAME"

How about this quote to go along with your point above?

"Know Jehovah" book chap. 3 p. 59.

"As regards our twentieth century, the prophet Ezekiel well pictures the anointed remnant of Jehovah's Christian witnesses since the year 1919 C.E., the critical year in which there was a revival of their public activities as foretold in Revelation 11:3-12. It is true that in 1919 this spiritual remnant did not appreciate Jehovah's organization as they do today. It is also true that they did not then discern that Jehovah's organization was prophetically pictured by the symbolic chariot in Ezekiel's vision, not till the year 1929. Nevertheless, Jehovah's heavenly organization was, of course, in existence in the year 1919 and it got in spiritual touch with the anointed remnant in that year to revive them as Jehovah's public witnesses to all the world. That chariotlike organization was on the move in 1919; it is on the move today, and apparently its wheels of progress are turning faster than ever. Jehovah rides again!"

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The Cat out of the Bag: the story of the release of the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION

by Terry in

when jehovah's witnesses began distributing door to door the new world translation beginning in the early 1950's a firestorm of protest broke out in mainstream churches.

the alarm cry was "they've changed the bible to fit their own crooked teachings!".

you can imagine the discord as church members tried to figure out how jehovah's witnesses could prove by reading from the nwt the king james version was full of omissions and errors and outright fraud concerning, for instance, the trinity doctrine or the name of god!!.

Make Lemonade

Great Post

This information ties into what is said in the book "Armageddon Now" by Dwight Wilson. Western policy towards the middle east has and is greatly influenced by religion. The Jews are fullfilling prophecy, so policy should be made according to what God has foretold.

What occurs to me as somewhat humorous is this. Many christians view the literal jews as the people upon whom prophecy is and will be fullfilled. The governing body views themselves as the fullfillment of these prophecies. The Governing Body are the jews upon who bible prophecies find fullfillment. In the big picture this isolates the Governing Body even more from christians. The part that is humorous is the details of interpretations by which the Governing Body has come to this conclution. As in the imprisonment of Rutherford and 7 others from 1918 to 1919. The 7 conventions etc..

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Short Online Course (Free) on the Fall and Rise of Jerusalem in 587BCE by Tel Aviv University

by digderidoo in

for those interested in the fall and rise of jerusalem in 587bce tel aviv university are offering a short 6 week online course through coursera in october 2014.. i have done a couple of coursera courses, they are always of the highest quality put together by scholars of whatever the subject matter is about.

universities tend to offer these as tasters and short introductions into their specialities.. you can get the information on the following link the fall and rise of jerusalem | coursera.

emory university are also offering a course through coursera on the bible's prehistory, purpose, and political future starting may 26th the bible's prehistory, purpose, and political future | coursera.

Make Lemonade

Welcome apostate tizzy

I will look forward to learning more about you.

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Quick! Help Needed for TTATT!!!

by HeyThere in

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friends

my husband is actually asking me questions about the governing body saying they are the mouthpiece of jehovah and the whole jesus invisible rulership in 1914 etc.

i am looking up stuff now to show him but if you have any proof, qotes, etc.

to help me wake up my husband please send to me now asap!.

Make Lemonade

This thread is encouraging. Education at work.

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Short Online Course (Free) on the Fall and Rise of Jerusalem in 587BCE by Tel Aviv University

by digderidoo in

for those interested in the fall and rise of jerusalem in 587bce tel aviv university are offering a short 6 week online course through coursera in october 2014.. i have done a couple of coursera courses, they are always of the highest quality put together by scholars of whatever the subject matter is about.

universities tend to offer these as tasters and short introductions into their specialities.. you can get the information on the following link the fall and rise of jerusalem | coursera.

emory university are also offering a course through coursera on the bible's prehistory, purpose, and political future starting may 26th the bible's prehistory, purpose, and political future | coursera.

Make Lemonade

Thanks

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"I no longer want to be 'Bloodguilty'"

by stuckinarut2 in

i have been thinking of a simple one liner to use when challenged as to why i dont seem to be an "active / good" witness.... "i no longer wish to be considered as 'bloodguilty' thanks" and leave it at that.. if said in a dignified, (not in a smart arse way), then i think this may make people see that my desicion is a sound one based on logic and not emotion..... thoughts?.

Make Lemonade

listen to punkofnice.

If you want to DA or be invited to a JC, Simply say,"I used to believe that, but now I do not." This is good for your own peace of mind. It all depends on your loved ones, what you want to accomplish, etc.. Even if you just say it to yourself. Try it. See how it makes you feel. I find it very peaceful.

Many Witnesses are not in a position to show love because it becomes about them. How will they be affected by talking to us? Will the elders begin to question their loyalty? Is their everlasting life going to be taken away as a result of contact? The foundation for this thinking is: The religion is true, so the person not "whole souled" is defective. The questions are not to help, but to evaluate potential danger.

The point is you better know your audience when saying anything to them.

Witnesses can become very insecure when their comfortable world is questioned. I am afraid your comment "I no longer wish to be considered bloodquilty thanks," will be perceived as a comment about them. Their possible response: "so you think the work of Jehovah's Witnesses causes bloodquilt?" Now you have the baloney hitting the fan. That is not what you want is it?

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I had a funny feeling he was a Witness... and now I need help.

by noontide in

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friends

im in a bit of a bind and im not quite sure what (if anything) i can do about it.

i was recently hired as a business consultant for a rather large company.

the company that hired me mentioned that they are concerned about a certain department and the way its being run, as this department affects every other department in the company.

Make Lemonade

How are the employees under his supervision being affected? Does the mindset of the director set a confusing example to them? What, if any, of the supervisor's actions or attitudes cause a conflict between company goals and employee performance?